Emmanuel Macron made his first trip
meeting the French. It was in the Lower Rhine
since the enactment of the pension law and his speech on Monday evening.
And you can say that the crowd bath
was quite rough, especially in Sélestat.
He docked with Audrey Peace and followed him to Alsace.
For me, I say that when you've been stabbed in the back,
there is no appeasement possible.
After mixed, we know stop
sixty two years old,
that's more than enough for us. Score, it boils,
it moves in all the pots and pans. At the end,
it's not the pots and pans that will move France forward.
I don't think he's trying to talk.
In fact, they're looking to make noise.
If you're in a society, you only listen to people who want to make noise.
Who is actually supposed to say
I make noise to cover up words,
you can't get away with it.
But no.
Do you really feel
for calming the country for a long time?
But listen, I don't believe in miraculous effects.
I think you just need to
keep explaining the others.
There are people who are ready to hear who hear.
Projects need to move forward.
Really, we make concessions to improve it.
So far, I didn't watch.
I saw that I didn't have the first time
that I hear people moaning at me.
Only one thing is being asked of you, it's a sign of appeasement.
And now, really, you can't see. But my question is. What do we do?
So,
we have a pension system, your generation today,
if we don't do this reform, she won't have a pension. I no longer have the
it's done,
I'm not going. You were looking for democracy or the President of the Republic
democratically elected makes for a fight.
A few months ago, you said in another context,
if the French are looking for someone in charge,
that they're coming to get me what it is because they're doing it.
That's right.
There are people who disagree,
they say it and they say it democratically.
I need to say that calmly. So all of this is your responsibility.
No but
listen at the end, if you, if you need
to know who was in the elections with a clear project,
this one. We made concessions to improve. It is in front of you
a heckled president,
arrested but who absolutely had to return to contact the French.
Couldn't stay like that, locked up in the Elysée, is cut off from the
The world is French.
For me, I asked myself that question all afternoon.
And to tell you the truth,
I think it was too early to go out and meet people.
I think that's very courageous.
And you empathize when you don't want to be in his place.
But for me, I think it's too early to
confront each other like that, right away, without barriers. I think it's
for a president of the Republic. It's really
difficult for him, for institutions.
Sorry, say that, I,
but an attack on the presidential image, and even more so on authority.
yes, I think
that he should have caught,
It's because in the last major crisis of the Yellow Vests, he chose
the big debate in a closed space with local elected officials, tricolour scarf.
Questions that were often prepared.
You get the impression that it's the other way around, that is, the big debates,
a free space
under the open sky,
a kind of double-sided version of the great debate.
I think they like that.
And according to the indications that we can get from the beginning, on January 10,
he was on the back burner and let the government do its thing.
The parliamentary path is he wanted to fight. I find his health.
He looked for almost that. So, it still allows. We hear all day
people say. You have a lousy government,
corrupted,
corrupt. We hear a fund all day
very unpleasant and to the political class
and to the President of the Republic, but not only that.
It's double-edged, though. I think we can get that back on track.
I understand very well the desire to restore social peace.
He will definitely have to do it. If he succeeds, he will have to do it,
more
right away and without a filter, that's what you mean.
Patrice with no filters at all.
If he hadn't, we welcome the papers, we would have said.
The president is locked up in the Élysée Palace, what is he doing?
He could have gone there on the Yellow Vests.
Indeed, we remember the great debate.
You should also not forget the moments of
confrontation where he was taken directly from Puy-en-Velay in particular,
where it was mostly a dialogue with elected officials anyway.
The media.
After leaders faced with protests, popular anger,
that's exactly the theme of your documentary President.
The price to pay in front of the street,
so twenty-ninth of April at twenty-one
hours on Public Senate with testimonies.
A pretty amazing cast,
the testimonies of former presidents of the Republic,
former prime ministers,
that tells the story of power at the heart of reforms and protests.
First witness, Nicolas Sarkozy who, in two thousand ten, one vote,
once he has made a decision to raise the starting age to 62
tells you that he won't give in anymore
nine days.
Nine days
e blocages complets
if you start shaking.
But at that point,
it's stepping on you
because it smells
A little bit you know it twitches up the shaft
and when, pushing
we break,
that's not a possible alternative.
From where
the need to debate first
debate first.
Because that choice, at the time, that choice of 62 years,
summarizes Nicolas Sarkozy, explained, eye to eye to Bernard Thibault,
who was the leader of the CGT then?
Yes, and he also talked to the Prime Minister about it, often,
of course he wasn't on the same line as him,
who wanted 63 years old.
He said. It's sixty two.
The difference with the sequence we just experienced,
it's that he actually had a contact
regular, not necessarily friendly.
Based on what were direct movie scenes with Bernard Thibault,
who was the boss of CGT at the time,
I think it still made it possible to pass
messages, either of appeasement or of firmness.
But here's what Macron lacked these kinds of candid discussions,
eye-to-eye, union officials,
he did not receive them throughout the crisis, he received them.
Before, it was his election campaign,
that's not the case, not the case with Sarkozy.
No, what's for sure,
but he said like Sarkozy.
Sarkozy says he was meeting Thibault and who told him Especially on the phone,
he told her I won't back down.
But deep down, Macron also said that from the start.
From the start, it was gold, it didn't work.
Maybe it's because, in addition, when Sarkozy is 62,
we can think that maybe that's precisely what went wrong
up to sixty three after right after a pension reform.
So it's basically a kind of ball and we see each other during the show,
it's a kind of ball is gone
that all the inhabitants of the Republic. But there are some who succeed
more than others. Calm things down.
François Hollande was also confronted with the street when he wanted to get through the
El Khomri's labor law is He too insists on the need for dialogue,
even if you remember it,
his prime minister Manuel Valls went through the forty-nine-three.
I always wanted there to be a social dialogue and the partner who was the
better
willing to be
in the dialogue was the CFDT.
In the first presentation of the of the El Aubry law,
there was a provision that clashed with the CFDT.
So I have very quickly
remove this provision to allow that
the dialogue can resume with the CFDT of the unions
reformists and I didn't give in on the rest.
We held out thanks to the Forty-nine three
and and to a good understanding between the president of the
Republic and myself and the Minister of Labor Myriam El Khomri,
who was courageous, and the CFDT.
Listening to François Hollande, we understand that we should not have offended the CFDT.
We remember the incomprehension that marked
this crisis between Emmanuel Macron and Laurent Berger,
who have been having trouble talking to each other for the last two thousand seventeen.
And we discovered or learned today that there's
had friendship on Emmanuel Macron's side to host Emmanuel
Macron assured of his respect for his friendship Berger
who announced today that he is leaving that he is going to leave the
the head of the CFDT next June.
Without going all the way, I think it was very difficult.
When you know them both, it's been very difficult for both of them
and it was very difficult for Berger who rightly passed
like a reformist syndicalist union but whose
the only requirement was no age.
Let's go with the semesters,
we're doing it differently.
He was re-elected to the CFDT for that, and so I think the way he appeared like that
as if drowned in a global dispute and no longer being a trade unionist
pages of government but political action.
It must have been the
give him problems throughout these weeks as much as Macron,
but I was quite blown away by what he said today
its condition you in the world which is absolutely remarkable
and I think he's teaching a lesson anyway.
A lot of politicians who want to hold out until 75,
sometimes beyond in assemblies or even in government.
Then it's really good
Give an account of the two major French power plants
that are led by women.
In fact, today is a completely historic day
nineteen April
you have Sophie de lait and Marylise, Léon, Marylise, Léon it's magnificent